Bellarius wrote:Fenris wrote:PLEASE tell me once more how the Fists as crusaders make no sense,i'm all ears.
Look back through previous posts. If you actually take the time to read them rather than just refuting them on the spot you might find a few examples.
Or, if you can't be bothered to do that: Here it is at least somewhat more justifiable given the fact they were a
legion at some point, and yet to be split off into separate chapters. Many of their surviving elements were split off into varying groups and forces, some following their crusader nature, such as the Black Templars and the like, others retaining their emphasis upon siege warfare and conflict, the Imperial Fists and Excoriators. That quote is about the legion, not the chapter, with about ten thousand years difference.

Curse you codex Ultramarine from second edition for clearly stating that after the heresy the
IMPERIAL FIST CHAPTER is a crusading chapter.
Oh wait,not
A crusading chapter.
THE MOST CRUSADING CHAPTER OF ALL THE CRUSADING CHAPTERS OUT THERE.Probably Ward went back in time to write that.I guess.Must be that.
Again,please,keep giving me reason to say that,on this,you are dead wrong.Face it:you are acting like this was a new horrible thing created by Big Bad Matt when it's been in the background since forever.
Bringing it back into the spotlight (both with SoT and as a pre-existing character trait in HH3) also helps mark them as more than the ultramarines carbon-copies with more dakka against walls that the IA made them out to be (and that they have been since then) and keeps them different from the Templars (since the black guys renounced the siegy-stuff and the codex astartes in exchange to remember how to wield a chainsword)
They are still ultramarines copies,with more dakka against walls (because that has not been changed) AND the added flavour of being proactive in searching faces to cave in with their fists and bolters.
You argued a few post ago that this makes them more like they were described in "2nd edition,times when you could call everything a poorer version of the Ultramarines/a thing they were supposed to have moved on from".I honestly see it doing the exact opposite,it makes them more different from the Ultras than what we got with 3rd edition in a way that makes sense in light of EVERYTHING ELSE in the background surrounding them.
But once again,you'll ignore all my points,probably.
Oh,and since i forgot to answer this slightly off-topic part
Which is of course completely ignoring the fact the Imperium can only create terminator suits at slightly above the attrition rate and the situation which cased that loss in the first place. Also ignoring their unique mentality, chapter structure, relationships, approach to war and ideology. Yes, i'm sure all of that was nothing of value, just speak to all those Iron Hands players spitting blood over what Ward did to their chapter in Codex: Clan Raukaan.
Slightly above the attrition rate:still,new chapter (even less-than-a-millennium-old ones) have no problem fielding terminators.You guess that the IH could ask for one or ten spare terminator armours each few centuries.
Unique mentality and ideology:you mean,like the one that makes dreadnought the pinnacle of fusion between SM and machine for them?Seems to contrast the fact that they never asked for a few replacement chassis from their best buddies THE ORGANIZATION THAT CAN PRODUCE THEM IN THE WHOLE GALAXY if needed
IH players are brooding over the fact that he made clan companies into standard codex companies when they have
always been described as special and unique formations,nothing more,nothing less.And that's,actually,a valid complaint.