kurisawa wrote:I also was confused by the role of the 'unofficial' organisations in the legion: The Mournival, the brotherhood thing. I remember that we eventually see that Horus uses these against the official organisational structures, but it struck me that if Horus is Warmaster anyway, the official system would have been blindly loyal to him anyway. I intend to look more carefully at this as the series goes on.
The only problem was that the lodges had been instituted in the legiones by the Word Bearers under Lorgar's command (IIRC). If Erebus had not been manipulating the Luna Wolves lodge, then much of what happened in False Gods would never have come to pass, nor would the Mournival ever been broken in two since the return to Davin and Horus' wounding.
Horus Rising wrote:'And their job is to watch over the moral health of the Legion, isn't that so? To guide and shape its philosophy? And, most important of all, to stand beside the commander and be the voices he listens to before any others. To be the comrades and friends he can turn to privately, and talk out his concerns and troubles with freely, before they ever become matters of state or Council.'
Horus Rising wrote:'That is what the Mournival is supposed to do.'
Athelassan wrote:One of the implications that comes across quite strongly from the Mournival is the idea of balance between the humours: this is one of the reasons Loken is moved to replace Sejanus rather than, say, Sedirae. Abaddon is choleric; Aximand is melancholic; Torgaddon is sanguine.
In more modern theories of the humours, phlegm is recognised as the best-balanced; Kant in fact defines it as the absence of humour. This means that Loken is in fact not just one of the four elements of the Mournival: inasmuch as they represent the voices of the Warmaster's temperament, he is really the most important of the group. By extension, so was Sejanus, the man he replaced. Looking at things through this lens, is the cause of a lot of it actually Loken's failings over the course of the novel (and opening trilogy) to act as his humourist position demands?
Ath
Erunanion wrote:I read through a big ol' chunk of HR last night, covering the whole Murder war and the introduction of Tarvitz (woo!) and Lucius (boo!). I felt that this was a weak section of the novel so far - the jumping back and forth in time did the pacing no favours, and at times felt unnecessarily clunky.
Erunanion wrote: The Mournival used as a tool to smack down the Blood Angels equerry and Lord Eidolon lacked some nuance
kurisawa wrote:Turning Points
From page 200, Horus reveals to Loken that there are daemons in the warp. He is happy to use this term. He also tells us that the Emperor took him (Horus) aside at Ullanor and explained why he was returning to Earth. Horus tells Loken that the Emperor has "more important" work to do, and explained to him that was why he was making him Warmaster. Horus has guessed that this important work revolves around taming the secrets of the warp. Loken reads a little pain in Horus' face that the Emperor did not fully go into this work - but Horus is a Primarch and loving son and has strong faith that the Emperor is doing the right thing.
I am interested in watching now how Horus goes from this loyal son who understands that there are entities in the warp (as explained by his father) and understands that there is important secret work that his father is undertaking on Terra... to... I hate my father and I want to kill him!
K.
Mossy Toes wrote:I would participate, but all of my Heresy novels are in a box in storage. Sorry.
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest