LordLucan wrote:The Word Bearers' actions are not those of a perfect legion, and it is not inconsistant writing, as it is the whole point of ADB's narrative; they think they are blameless and perfect, therefore the Emperor must be wrong, because they can't conceive of themselves not being. They believe their own hype.
As for the Emperor's Pact, I don't think it was an 'agreement' as such, but that the Emperor had to draw on warpy powers, making use of ostensibly sorcerous rituals and dark means to actually create the Primarchs. That is: he dabbled. He 'stole' power from the Chaos Gods. In many respects then, the 'scattered of the Primarchs', in 40k Roleplay Terms, could just be Psychic Phenomena which rolled Perils of the Warp.
shadowhawk2008 wrote:Oh my, did I neglect to mention that one of the upcoming, unannounced Garro audio dramas will be about looking for traitors within the Imperial Palace?
My bad!
Xisor wrote:G
If it is supposed to imply there's a traitor, it's almost as bad as Cestus' belief that Macragge is the only possible target and Zadkiel's belief that "three times now we've given the game away, what could possibly go wrong" shenanigans from Battle for the Abyss.
It leaves the room open. But then there could have been a Traitor there for ages beforehand. Or afterwards. Or never. The same sequence of events can happen regardless of there being a traitor in the palace because we know (excepting his little immediately-post-dream-sequence silliness) that Horus isn't stupid.
(Also he might have told himself from the future.)
Spoiler: Magnus 'sees' Valdor essentially goading Russ into going full on slaughter.
Spoiler: Anyone could be a fragment of Chaos (probably Tzeentch) and no one could tell. 'Amon' interrogated Kasper and fought space wolves in the same damn room as the Emperor.
Spoiler: The Emperor himself had warned Horus. They are both making clear it has to end with them facing each other, and both seem to have taken efforts to ensure this...
Ogun wrote:Tantalising....
For your tardy admission you have just averted an eternity of suffering at the hands of Rebecca Black's 'Friday', stuck forever on repeat and with no hope of escape... Such is the fate of all who withold exciting HH information!
I wonder if The Outcast Dead will give any hints?
Liliedhe wrote::P Bastard. How dare you keep this from us?
It's not unthinkable that Horus is simply a step ahead with the regards to not plopping himself in the firing line of assassins. All this 'make Horus think he had a hand in it' and 'make the Word Bearers think they're capable of foiling the Emperor' could simply be Chaos capitalising on the fact that something went hilariously wrong.
That said, the Gellar Field failure could be precisely that: failure. The beginning of Mechanicum is how long after/before the disappearance of the Primarchs, for example?
There's a hint from a Thousand Sons
Spoiler:Spoiler: Magnus 'sees' Valdor essentially goading Russ into going full on slaughter.
Spoiler: The fact that Prospero Burns doesn't actually address that does make me wonder if they are saving up something on that point. I'm not sure though if Ahriman actually knows about what Magnus ended up doing in the Terran dungeons as Magnus goes into seclusion straight afterwards. Valdor's 'sinister urgings' may simply be him saying to Russ 'be ruthless, I've seen what Magnus did and looked like when he wrecked the Emperor's work.' To Ahriman, that would be pretty sinister!
a setting where there are giant superhuman warriors defending humanity who are all but worshipped as gods and who are all men is always going to have at least an overtone of misogyny.This is unfortunate but unavoidable unless we're going to get into female space marine territory and it's probably best for everyone if we don't.
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