Dirty Book Syndrome?

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Dirty Book Syndrome?

Postby Therion » Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:02 am

I noticed that it for the first time in in 2015 when buying a military history book at brick and mortar store.

Some books both in local stores and ordered online have dark smudges on them.

Here are a few examples:
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One was ordered from global seller, another from a local auction site. Both new unused books.

About 1/3 of books I bought since 2017 from the global seller arrive dirty.

What's going on? Has anyone else encountered the phenomena?

I have a theory that price wars between store chains and pressure for higher store discounts has led to collapse of quality of shipping and storage which resulted in books getting regularly damaged or stored in dirty conditions.
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Re: Dirty Book Syndrome?

Postby Rob P » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:35 pm

I've not had this problem, but I have noticed that Amazon's 3rd party second hand book rating of very good is well below what you would expect very good to mean.
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Re: Dirty Book Syndrome?

Postby Xisor » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:53 pm

I haven't noticed it either, but then I also tend not to pay too much attention so that's not worth so much!

Rob P wrote:I've not had this problem, but I have noticed that Amazon's 3rd party second hand book rating of very good is well below what you would expect very good to mean.


I don't know if anyone else caught this, but it seems somewhat relevant: Check out @YouGov’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/10470 ... 20065?s=09

Couple to that the notion that many companies viewed anything less than a 7/10 as a bad review, even when their scales note a 5 as average.

It's into economics territory - we're extremely two-faced, hypocritical creatures on an intellectual level. Our statement about how much we'll pay for something massively misleads compared to what we'll actually pay for something when presented with it.

Almost as if you can't take us (as a species) at our word.

Those words included... :lol:
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Re: Dirty Book Syndrome?

Postby Rob P » Fri Oct 05, 2018 7:38 pm

I think there are two distinct things here.

For starters, people who review things tend to either love it or hate it. Only people who are trying to log as many reviews as possible bother to give reviews on things they found average. Also, and I couldn't really tell if the YouGov was getting at this, but I do recall reading something about how people add or deduct scores to their reviews when reviewing things. In other words, if you thought it was better than average it will more likely than not get an 8 than a 6 even though above average would be a 6. And vice versa on negative scoring.

The thing i'm talking about isn't quite that subjective (although it is for reasons i'll briefly explain), because Amazon does have condition guidelines (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201475010). I'm finding that the criteria are frequently (less than 50% of the time, but often) ignored. I'm finding good is nearer acceptable and very good is nearer good.
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Re: Dirty Book Syndrome?

Postby Therion » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:07 pm

Rob P wrote:I've not had this problem, but I have noticed that Amazon's 3rd party second hand book rating of very good is well below what you would expect very good to mean.

When buying from abroad I mainly experience this problem with Bookdepository since late 2017. Like, 1/3 to half of books arrive with dirty fingerprints on them.

Rob P wrote:For starters, people who review things tend to either love it or hate it. Only people who are trying to log as many reviews as possible bother to give reviews on things they found average. Also, and I couldn't really tell if the YouGov was getting at this, but I do recall reading something about how people add or deduct scores to their reviews when reviewing things. In other words, if you thought it was better than average it will more likely than not get an 8 than a 6 even though above average would be a 6. And vice versa on negative scoring.

I have found this kind of lack of objectivity very annoying. People treat everything they like as a masterpiece.

Rob P wrote:The thing i'm talking about isn't quite that subjective (although it is for reasons i'll briefly explain), because Amazon does have condition guidelines (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201475010). I'm finding that the criteria are frequently (less than 50% of the time, but often) ignored. I'm finding good is nearer acceptable and very good is nearer good.

Yeah. The book with the massive dirty fingerprints was "new", "no traces of use". I already encountered it with that seller on less massive scale. I kinda ignored it because these are literally last copies available in the country but I'm tempted to write to them about it because it got quite outrageous.
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Re: Dirty Book Syndrome?

Postby Therion » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:24 am

Rob P wrote:The thing i'm talking about isn't quite that subjective (although it is for reasons i'll briefly explain), because Amazon does have condition guidelines (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201475010). I'm finding that the criteria are frequently (less than 50% of the time, but often) ignored. I'm finding good is nearer acceptable and very good is nearer good.

Just received a "Very good" book bought on eBay. Has spine broken in 4 places. Scratches, few bent pages. A sticker. Also, different edition than on auction picture.
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