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I just realised something about Wh40k novels.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:31 am
by Therion
They almost never use Thoughts for the Day in them. One would think that such words of wisdom are in everyday use in the Imperium...

Re: I just realised something about Wh40k novels.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:06 am
by Mossy Toes
Not lately, anyhow. Some of the older Abnett books I recall using them at the beginnings of chapters and such; and I do think there's a passage in the actual text of Faith & Fire where a battle sister examines a wall of such. Though, no, come to think of it I'm probably actually thinking of a piece of JDD's fanfic.

Re: I just realised something about Wh40k novels.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 8:08 pm
by Therion
Mossy Toes wrote:Not lately, anyhow. Some of the older Abnett books I recall using them at the beginnings of chapters and such; and I do think there's a passage in the actual text of Faith & Fire where a battle sister examines a wall of such. Though, no, come to think of it I'm probably actually thinking of a piece of JDD's fanfic.

I mean in conversations. You never used thoughts for the day in everyday conversations?

Re: I just realised something about Wh40k novels.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:03 am
by Xisor
Therion wrote:
Mossy Toes wrote:Not lately, anyhow. Some of the older Abnett books I recall using them at the beginnings of chapters and such; and I do think there's a passage in the actual text of Faith & Fire where a battle sister examines a wall of such. Though, no, come to think of it I'm probably actually thinking of a piece of JDD's fanfic.

I mean in conversations. You never used thoughts for the day in everyday conversations?


I'm sure Ath and I touched on this in a conversation in a pub a while back - it's one of the things glaringly absent with GW's insistence on not diverting too far from LOTS OF CONFLICT. People don't forget about everything else for long. Fashion, cultural references, authentic uses of turns of phrase - there's a huge swathe of detail that we're treated to visually that allows us to take a lot of 40k as read, err, seen.

But even then there's a ton of detail absent. Food, fashion, heaven's sake: humour and romance don't just disappear because people are getting a bit shooty killy. They take a dent, but font just vanish.

With Fantasy, I've found that it gets a lot of these details more... right. You can't differentiate provincesof the Empire in the same way you can differentiate Space Marine chapters. In Fantasy, as per IG novels, culture seems to be given a bit more verisimilitude.

Intriguingly, I felt Nick Kymes dwarf novels managed this very well indeed - threading in plausible tropes to bring it all to life, without over egging it too. Deft in a way he seems to deliberately avoid with Space Marines. His villains in the same novels, however, I did not create for.